The Grand Narrative

Korean Women, Part 1: Dating and Body Image

Posted in Korean Sexuality, Korean Women's Body Images by James Turnbull on April 10, 2008

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Introduction

Today’s post is inspired by the journal article ”Content Analysis of Diet Advertisements: A Cross-National Comparison of Korean and U.S. Women’s Magazines” by Minjeong Kim and Sharron Lennon (Clothing and Textiles Research Journal, October 2006), which interested readers can download for themselves here if they want.

I found it myself while I was doing research for my recent posts on Korean women’s body images and consumerism, and unlike the article(s) I discuss there, that free access means that here I can concentrate on giving my opinions of the article and adding related things not covered in it, rather than simply rehashing much of its content like I normally have to. Hence I say “inspired by” and not “about,” and although the article is an easy, 20-minute read tops, you don’t have to read it to enjoy this post or the other two or three in the series.

Still, I think I can at least impose on you to read the abstract, so you know what to expect:

Content analysis of diet advertisements was performed to examine how diet advertisements portray the Western ideal of feminine beauty and promote dieting in Korean women’s magazines in comparison with U.S. women’s magazines. Results showed that the Western cultural ideal of feminine beauty and dieting were prevalent in Korean women’s magazines. Diet advertisements in Korean magazines appear to promote more passive dieting methods (e.g., diet pills, aroma therapy, diet crème, or diet drinks) than active dieting methods (e.g., exercise). Results further indicated that women may be misled to believe that dieting is simple, easy, quick, and effective without pain, if they consume the advertised product. This study suggests that there is an urgent need to establish government regulations or policies about diet products and their claims in Korea. Magazine publishers also need to recognize their role in societal well-being and accept some responsibility for advertisements in their magazines.

Yep, it’s another “girly” subject, which got me thinking: online, I often get accused of being a woman, and while I couldn’t care less really, a new reader to the blog could be forgiven for thinking that I am a woman given this and recent subjects. What can I say? I like women, and unfortunately I can’t say much more than that without giving the impression that I do actually care (damn). But by coincidence, the first thing I thought of when I read that journal article is something probably every expat guy in Korea can relate to, and it just goes to show how the ostensibly girly subjects on my blog have much more of a universal appeal than they may at first appear.

You’re Not Fat, Dammit!

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Teaching children rather than adults, and being married and a father now, then I don’t have time to often meet new Korean women these days. But when I did, I was always amazed at how readily many would mention to me that they thought were fat and needed to lose weight. Sure, not immediately, but soon enough into our relationship (professional, platonic or otherwise) to be noticeable. Especially if they were in their early-20s too, and always virtually regardless of their actual weight and body shape or size.

Back when I was single, I would find that dates and/or semi-girlfriends often would too. Naturally, if that happened today I’d probably call it a night right there and then, but the first few times it happened, I’d feel like offering a quiet prayer of thanks for the opportunity offered: surely the very first guy to compliment her about her body, after a lifetime of criticism about her weight from relatives, friends and Korean men, would reap the rewards of making her feel good about herself? It sounds very calculating on my part, and was, but that is the nature of dating. And for obvious reasons, I wasn’t actually lying when I did it.

But…sigh…how young and naive I was. Thirty minutes and numerous repeated compliments later I’d still be nowhere, and, exasperated, would be well into covering the facts that:

1. Regardless of what she was aiming for, all men’s instinctive preference is for women with a 0.7 waist to hip ratio. Although, hell, a good 99.99% or so of sexual encounters are done for pleasure rather than reproduction, males and females still find the most fertile mates the most attractive. And women with hourglass figures just so happen to be 30% more fertile than the androgynous figures favored by many Koreans.

    2. Women’s ovaries don’t work below 18% body fat: see page 347 of the article for more, and come to think of it it’s even mentioned in G.I. Jane too. Sure, not all women are blessed with the most fertile body form, actually the vast majority aren’t, but that doesn’t mean that our base, uncouth male reproductive instincts don’t only respond to a woman of any form that can actually get pregnant.

    (Image detail from Bouguereau’s The Birth of Venus.)

      It’s no exaggeration to say that I wouldn’t have to walk very far from my apartment to see many extremely thin, immaculately dressed and make-uped(?) women at the height of Korean ideals of beauty, but which for the life of me I could never imagine having a sexual relationship with. To be precise, they remind me of a Garfield cartoon where he pours water on a poodle to reveal that it’s really just eyeballs and hair, and I too simply can’t image that under the make-up and clothes of the women I describe, that there’s someone with even the physical constitution to have and enjoy sex, let alone of having a child. And so I strongly suspect that, if they’re in a relationship, that they don’t have sex, and in some cases are surely no more than trophy girlfriends for their male partners to show off.

      Certainly, much the same can be said of many women and relationships in Western countries too, but there it’s increasingly difficult not to hear about the distinction between real life and the ideals of beauty represented by the fashion industry. Even the fashion industry itself has begun to respond to that in recent years, and women’s magazines have paid more than lip-service to it for decades too, although articles about healthy body images will often still literally be alongside advertisements with ultra-thin models. But in Korea, there is no distinction, and in hindsight that follows on from fashion for conformity’s sake that I discussed in earlier posts. It’s also something that I think someone has to have Korean ability and/or be in Korea to appreciate, because image searches of Korean women on English-language sites like Google or Flickr and so on, for instance, tend to reveal healthy-looking women in line with English-speaking users’ tastes and photographic interests. They don’t capture just how skinny and how so many ordinary, apparently non-photogenic Korean women have become in pursuit of the thin ideal.

      And hence all the above both contributes to and is despite the fact that:

      3. Korean women are the amongst the least obese in the world. Now, I’m from a Western country (three in fact – it’s a long story), so with that background and her own, not unreasonable, stereotypes of Western women, did she really think that I’d find her obese? I did have hair then, and wasn’t that ugly…did she think I’d scraped the bottom of the barrel with her or something…?

        All very romantic I know, but then I’ve long since moved on from what I actually said on those dates (sorry). But I’m not exaggerating when I say that I married the first Korean woman with healthy curves that not once mentioned that she thought she was too fat to me. And I’m speaking literally: when I say “healthy curves”, I don’t mean them in the euphemistic sense that Westerners are used to, and when I say that she never said that she was too fat to me, I mean that she…well, never said that she was too fat. I don’t mean that she was “confident” with her body, and there is a difference: because of the contexts in which it’s used, I think to most Westerners that that phrase conjures up an image of a sexually-aggressive women flaunting herself in a crop-top for instance, and, not that I’m against that, but that was out of question in rural Korea in 2000. But she did never wear a t-shirt over her swimsuit at the beach, and although it may be difficult to believe now, that was quite daring back then.

        Bikini Feminism

        To illustrate what I mean, consider the following photos. The first two are now normal sights on Korean beaches, and I’m perfectly serious when I say that this fact is to be applauded. I won’t pretend that I don’t mean that in my male, voyeuristic sense, but I also mean it in a feminist sense too:

        four-korean-women-beach-haeundae-bikini

        (Photo by Jeremy Chae)

        korean-woman-beach-haeundae-white-bikini

        (Photo by Jeremy Chae)

        Claiming that bikinis are good for feminism possibly – hell, probably – sounds patronising and facetious to many female readers. But then consider this picture, which from experience was the norm on Korean beaches in 2000:

        korean-women-beach-haeundae-bikini

        (Photo by model337)

        Yes, the woman on the left is indeed wearing a bikini, but is that make-up on her face too? And I can’t imagine that the women on the right wouldn’t prefer not be dragged down by the weight of their heavy t-shirts, but are only wearing them because of embarrassment. So when I say that my wife was the first attractive Korean woman I’d met who was simply comfortable with her body, and that that was very refreshing after my previous dating experiences here, then hopefully you can appreciate how much more meaningful that statement is then maybe it first appears.

        And in hindsight, it was so telling of Korea too. Because that was despite her being “fatter” than most of her then friends, and that those friends reminded her of that seemingly every time they met. That she still hung out with them despite that – at least until I convinced her otherwise – now makes me realise how routine this perception of themselves must be for many Korean women, although I already suspected because of how little I’d been able to change the minds of those women I dated before I met her. They would nod dutifully at my verbal barrage, and some would even be surprised and interested, but I still had a gut feeling that I what I’d said hadn’t and would never ultimately make any difference to their body images.

        I suspect that while my arguments may have been better received if they’d been made by a woman, it would have taken a Korean woman to ultimately convince them. In a sense, what I was saying was a criticism of Korea in that I was criticizing a concept of women’s beauty that many if not most Korean women and men subscribe to, even if it isn’t actually Korean per se. And unfortunately, it’s a fact of life here that all too many Koreans will give little credence to something only said by foreigners, regardless of its objective reliability.

        (Image right by publish9)

        Or is it? Does all the above still apply? Those dates were back in rural, conservative Jinju in 2000, not quite the same place as Seoul in 2008. Does this still happen on dates with Korean women? Do Korean women still constantly moan about being fat with their friends, Western and/or Korean? Could a picture like the above be taken in a nightclub outside of Seoul? These are all questions I’d like to pose to readers.

        Nobody will believe me because I’m still not up to the “diet” in my post’s title, but nevertheless I really didn’t start this post planning to make it a series! But I’ve decided to break it up because of the length and especially those questions above. As you can guess, I haven’t been on a date in 8 years, and so while I’m loath to admit it – I am a longtimer and Korea-Studies geek after all – someone who’s been here a grand total of say, 8 weeks may well know more about the Korean dating scene than I do. So I really would appreciate feedback before moving on to Part 2.

        Update: If you’ve read this far, then you’ll probably like this related recent post at Korea Beat too.

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        1. Chris said, on April 10, 2008 at 2:48 pm

          Interesting that you write about this subject because I have a Korean girlfriend who’s only been in the US for about two years and she is this exact same way. She’s absolutely NOT FAT and she has a great body but it’s like talking to a brick wall when I tell her she’s not fat and that’s she’s beautiful. Apparently she was much thinner before she came to the US and now she’s gained some weight. But even considering that, by anyone’s standards, she’s still NOT FAT.

          Anyway it’s good to find out that it’s a normal thing for a Korean girl to do. But it’s troubling to find out that being a brick wall is normal too.

        2. Jon said, on April 10, 2008 at 4:22 pm

          I’ve been here a few years, dating somewhat frequently. While I have met a few girls that talk about their body image, there was an acquaintance that always complained that she was fat, which was probably only because she had wider than normal hips; but not fat by any means. After telling her time and again that she wasn’t, I met that brick wall that you mention.

          Then I realized I would just agree with her, and make fun of her in a playful way. I figure, since they’re convinced of being fat anyway and it doesn’t matter what we say, might as well agree with them and exaggerate it, have fun with it. Like “I’m fat” “Yea you are, stop eating” lol! But done in a way that they know you’re not serious.

        3. daeguowl said, on April 10, 2008 at 11:50 pm

          People tell me a lot that I’m too thin and that I need to put weight on….probably, I’m what these women aspire to be…

        4. James Turnbull said, on April 12, 2008 at 3:42 pm

          Thanks for the comments guys. Even your’s too daeguowl, it’s good to see some life from you after such a long break on your blog.

          Chris, I strongly suspect that where Korean women grow up as teenagers makes all the difference. Here, it’s perfectly acceptable and normal for teachers to tell their students that they’re too fat, or even berate them for it, whereas I’m pretty certain that would mean instant dismissal in the US, right?

          Jon, I hear you, and I’ve done the playful/flirting thing over it too. But had that ever led to something, it would have been quite a stumbling block, because although it was often said playfully by the women I talk about it was usually sincerely meant. And I don’t think I could have a relationship with someone with such negative images of themselves but ironically also obession about it too.

        5. gordsellar said, on April 12, 2008 at 11:34 pm

          Well, my fiancée isn’t fat but she (like me) has gained weight, so whatever I say about “you’re not! fat!” doesn’t work. But she also thinks the rail-thin look is nothing to pursue.

          I agree with the idea this has to do with where one had grown up, and the environment that permits put-downs is likelier to produce people with negative self-images and obsessions to match.

          Then again, I find that put-downs — especially of women — are not seen as anti-social to anywhere near the same degree as they are in Western society. (Which is interesting, since it resembles what some female writers describe as having been horrifyingly acceptable in the 50s, 60s, or even the 70s.) I know it took me a while to not be shocked every time a male college student told a female one she was ugly or fat or should put on makeup or dress in some way other than she was dressed, and students always seemed to think it odd when I stopped this sort of thing and warned the guy that he was expected to be respectful of all his classmates in my classroom.

          (I saw that a lot more in the countryside, but still see it done occasionally by the inarticulate boys who seem not to belong in university and are at the bottom of the class. They’re probably just trying to compensate for the fact their targets are outperforming them academically, intellectually, and otherwise. But what’s odd is that their acting out so rarely provokes a response or rebuke. One cannot help but wonder what the average, older Korean professor says in such situations.)

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        7. James Turnbull said, on April 13, 2008 at 11:24 pm

          Gord, come to think of it, I’ve never had adults putting each other down in my classes, although I have have had my fair share of equally sexist, racist, and just darn crazy opinions from students, especially in my first year. By coincidence, I picked up the book Discussions that work by Penny Ur after that, and from then on I almost exclusively gave task-based activities in my adult classes. Worked like a charm, both for my sanity and their learning.

        8. Kevin said, on April 23, 2008 at 5:14 am

          Your comment about skinny, beautiful women not being able to have sex or enjoy it is a little over the top. Are you serious? Other than that gripe, I find your observations and opinions very smart and interesting…

        9. James Turnbull said, on April 23, 2008 at 10:56 am

          Kevin, thanks for your comments, and yes, possibly my remark about skinny women is a little over the top. But to be precise, I said that I couldn’t imagine that they were able to rather than saying that they weren’t, and that probably reveals more about my own preconceptions, tastes, and experiences more than anything about Korean women themselves. Still, I’d think exactly the same if I came across a 6ft, normally-proportioned Western man and a rake-thin Western woman…and there do seem to be a lot of Korean couples like that!

        10. Kevin said, on April 24, 2008 at 12:54 am

          James,
          I think you’re on to something. And to be fair, I guess find myself having similar thoughts when I look at a super-skinny, make-up and designer clothes clad young woman strutting her way down the street…Although skinny has less to do with it than the overall self-presentation.

          What I perceive in many of these women (and men for that matter) is someone who can probably go through the motions of sex just fine, perhaps even reaching orgasm, but who cannot be intimate or achieve happiness through intimacy. This is someone who probably does not feel joy from simply being held and told that they are loved. This is someone who desires so much to be seen that they have lost connection with the unseen world, which of course is the world where love resides.

          In other words, I feel that those who really go overboard in attaining the look are really rejecting other people in the process. Their desire to place themselves above, or outside of, the rest of society ultimately makes them lonely…perhaps in a way this behavior is sociopathic.

          The more I think about it however, the more I feel that people are more frequently pushed into this kind of behavior than enter into it as a conscious choice.

        11. jen said, on April 25, 2008 at 10:51 am

          well i’m asian american so i’m probably not “korean” enough to write my opinion here but i AM obsessed with body image, weight, and racial identity so i feel like writing anyway.

          i have always felt deep inside i was too big, too ugly and too americanized to be accepted by other asians. i’m usually careful to avoid speaking of these topics as i know i’d sound crazy, racist, attention seeking, self pitying, superficial, ect…despite this sensibility, i still have difficulty coming to terms with my negative body image. at 5′4″ and 96 lbs, i wear the mask of a stylish, cute young woman from an asian magazine. inside i still feel like the shy, nerdy teenage girl who was told she was chubby, plain, clumsy and foolish at 115lbs.

          my fiance is caucasian and over twice my size. he is always telling me how petite, beautiful, and clever i am and my brick wall has been gradually crumbling. every now and then he surprises me with a compliment so genuine, that i stop replaying those old criticizing voices in my head. this year i turned 28 and for the first time in my life, i wore a bikini. i didn’t cover up in a baggy t-shirt or towel. i still crossed my arms over my stomach when i sat down and averted my eyes from making any human contact, but i’ll be working on that.

        12. James Turnbull said, on April 27, 2008 at 12:52 am

          Jen, thanks, and anyone’s more than welcome to leave a comment! Sorry that I didn’t reply to it earlier.

          I wouldn’t feel so bad about taking so long to get over your negative body image. It’s quite normal. It’s very easy for me personally to laugh at and feel superior to Koreans for, say, getting cosmetic surgery, especially on a blog, but then I recall that for most of my twenties that whenever I felt depressed then I just needed to get a haircut to feel better…in other words, my depression was solely due to my not liking how my hair looked.

          Now at 32, I don’t even have much hair, but if I go more than 3 days without shaving it then I don’t feel sexy, confident, and will just want to avoid human contact as much as possible, even though my hair is so short that most people wouldn’t ever notice the difference.

          So no matter how I may sound on the blog, I’m by no means over linking my confidence to my appearance myself, and also still have to work on it. So like I said, don’t feel too bad about it!

        13. Rod said, on April 28, 2008 at 1:56 pm

          Stayed in Ulsan, Korea for 3 weeks now. I’ve found this post very interesting, as I’ve been trying to make sense of cultural perceptions and expectations of beauty since I arrived.

          My sense is there is a strong Western preoccupation, particularly among women. I’ve also noticed Korean TV sometimes tries too hard to emulate American shows, becoming almost contrived and artificial.

          Regarding your observations of Korean women – the women I see in the streets and in classes seem to come in all sizes. To be honest I’ve had me out for a thin (forgive me, I’m western), pretty one who speaks English. But I have seen few, if any. Maybe I’m not going to the right places, but from my short stay here I have yet to see the “thin” female stereotype on a large scale.

          I’ll stop rambling. Keep writing James!

        14. yanoto said, on May 8, 2008 at 11:43 am

          Hi, I found this blog by accident. I just recently got into the hallyu wave. I’ve been watching some Korean dramas. I also TAed for a class on politics of east asia. I guess that’s beside the point. I would say that what I’ve seen from Korean students in the US, there is a strong desire to be acculturated within the US culture. The Korean girls in my class were not what I would qualify ‘thin’ per say but the ones I saw on campus were sometimes ‘thin.’ As a female international student in the US, this topic seems very interesting. But I guess even those ‘thin’ Korean girls could be nice people. Ah well, this is my two cents.

        15. Joseph Kim said, on June 26, 2008 at 2:00 pm

          James, I think you have it all wrong. The Korean women are not too thin, the American women are too fat. Don’t take my word for it, take it from no less than the American Medical Association that states at obesity is the NUMBER ONE health related problem in America.

          Being even 20lbs overweight can lead to substantial, sometimes exponential, increased risk in cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. Being thin isn’t just about self image, it has real health consequences. Being thin is not only more beautiful (name one fat beauty pagent winner or model), but it is way more healthy.

          So stop posting that fat Americans are “normal” and healthy (they aren’t according to AMA). Maybe it is the fat averse Koreans who really have it right.

          One last tidbit, if you have less thn 10% body fat, your chance of having cancer or diabetes is next to none.

        16. James Turnbull said, on June 26, 2008 at 2:55 pm

          Joseph,

          I don’t think I or any readers need to be told that obesity is the number one health related problem in America, or that being too thin is generally healthier than being too fat.

          Dammed if I can find where I say that obese Americans are normal and healthy too, or even mention Americans at all for that matter. Actually if you read a little more closely, you’ll see that I say the exact opposite.

          Seeing as women’s ovaries stop working properly with under 18% body fat, then I seriously doubt that doctors are advising people and women especially to reduce their fat levels to 10% for the sake of avoiding cancer or diabetes.

          Please read the post more carefully next time. And I’m not going to pay much attention to arguments that Korean women aren’t underweight simply because too many American women are overweight. I fail to see the connection or relevance.

        17. Ron said, on November 27, 2008 at 10:24 am

          How anyone couldn,t like Korean women is a mystery to me. To put it bluntly they are
          the Diamonds of Asia. Granted you don,t see that many overweight Koreans as you woulld verus Americans but thats cause Koreans eat much more healthy than us which
          is why korean women have Beautiful bodies, not like some women in the states. If you,ve spent anytime in korea and havent noticed this end of conversation. I love Korea and intend to spend the rest of my American life here!!!!!

        18. vera said, on February 6, 2009 at 10:44 am

          OK I am late on this but Thin is not healthy, there is a thing called skinny fat which is someone who is skinny but has no muscle tone so in a way is the same being fat, because their body has 50% fat. Everybody is different some people have big bones or a wider body and not matter how hard they tired they won’t be the skinny model type. I hope this year or the next few, magazine would show different body types and different sizes and colors that way people can chose who they and who they aspire. I feel it is harder for women not matter which country she is from, to feel good about herself. Women are told maybe not from their mother but everything else what beauty is and we must achieve it to get a husband or partner in life and then we would be happy. I feel women can fall in love with a men for personality and not much for looks because we see different shape and colors on tv when it comes to men. But not so much for women.

          • James Turnbull said, on February 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm

            Thanks Vera, and I couldn’t agree more, although as I say in either this post or one of the next two in the series, physical attractiveness will always play a much bigger part in mate selection for men than for women, it making sense because younger women being more fertile and especially those with hourglass body shapes too. Women just have to get used to this fact of life, just like men have to get used to making lots of money and so forth to attract women.

        19. Winged_monster said, on February 15, 2009 at 5:46 am

          To me it sounds like Korean women aim to look as weak and infertile as possible. What does that say about what Korean men want from women?Do they like a woman weak enough that they can control and just have their way with them without question? Do they feel that having children is a burden or maybe they want sex more for pleasure than for creating a family like some Koreans want to believe?

          • James Turnbull said, on February 16, 2009 at 10:57 pm

            Sorry I took so long to reply. Yes, I’d imagine that the way I’ve presented it may well look like Korean women aim to look as weak and infertile as possible, but I doubt that many consciously do so. More, it’s just that there’s the standards for cosmetics and/or beauty in general of the society, and women and men have adopted them without thinking enough about where those standards come from and the potential negative effects. Not that Westerners are universally aware of these either, but they do tend to have more critical-thinking skills as a whole and so are and have been much more likely to challenge them.

        20. reo suh said, on April 9, 2009 at 9:28 pm

          my korean exgf still complains she is too fat…

          but honestly, seriously, she is utterly and totally gorgeous.

          and i’ve noticed korean women’s bodies aren’t constrained to their proportions.

          my exgf has the sexiest curves, and a nice bit on the t&a she is a perfect korean. she even has the cutest chubby cheeks, prettiest lips and sexiest eyes. her hair is yummy silk.

          in my opinion she looks great, all koreans look great.
          but most of all,

          i sure love how many different looks a korean woman’s ass can have.

          no other race compares in my opinion…head to toe.

          koreans are all truly angels, every last one of them. my S most of all.

          i think if they realized just what westerners found attractive, they wouldn’t mutilate themselves so much.

          its the difference in shape and size that attracts me.

          like i said…wow the prettiest face, and most sexy ass? come on bro you can’t beat that~

          peace ^^

          P.S. KOREAN WOMEN IN CANADA ARE ALL OVER THE CLUBS LOOKING VERY FERTILE, AND SEXY

          HAHA!~

        21. CassandraSays said, on May 17, 2009 at 10:00 am

          Here’s a thought – is part of it maybe class? Ie, women aspiring to a look that they associate with wealth and sophistication? In many Western nations that’s definately a big part of the obsession with being ultra thin, given that in say American being very thin takes a type of diet and gym time that are only avaliable to those who are relatively well off. I’d think this would particularly be the case in societies which aren’t that far historically from the period where most of the population was made up of hearty peasant stock.

          Also how is this impacting Korean men? I’m more familiar with the situation in Japan (since I’m a journalist and work with a lot of Japanese bands), and over there it’s not just women that are expected to be super skinny, it’s increasingly young men too, especially in the big cities. Last year I worked with a guy who’s convinced he’s fat at 5ft10 and 127 pounds. From what little I’ve seen of similar Korean pop culture it seems like the desired look for men is more muscular, though almost as girly as for Japanese pop stars (which in itself is sort of wierd and interesting, seeing muscles and girly pink sweaters on the same person).

          (Can’t remember how I found your blog btw, followed a trail of links from somewhere. Hi!)

        22. LJ said, on June 18, 2009 at 6:19 am

          Dear James,

          Thank you so much for this insight! I’ve been looking for someone to capture the trends I have been noticing in women’s body images for years now. It’s especially meaningful coming from an outsider’s perspective. (I am one too, don’t worry!)

          I am half-Japanese and half-Caucasian. I grew up in Southern California, am I’m 5′8″ and currently weigh 110 lbs, although my lowest weight was 102 lbs. Granted, that sounds insane, but I didn’t get that way by going anorexic or anything along those lines. My family eats mostly Japanese foods and some Korean food, all of which are extremely low in calorie and fat content, and I haven’t eaten much since I was a child. I was never overweight but I always felt a need to lose weight. I just wasn’t happy with my body, but it was more a reaction again looking “fertile” “domestic” and mentally handicapped (I have a very negative view of traditional women!) and a drive toward being more androgynous, which I truly am. I’ve never been comfortable with femininity, perfumes or makeup and yet I still prize facial beauty. I don’t believe in flaunting one’s body and yet I am drawn to the mystery of the sleek and toned. I mate materialism and prize looking good in no matter what you wear- my wardrobe is very small. I like being assertive and aggressive with my academic goals, not cute and meek about them.

          Yet even still, I’d like to share to something quite personal with you because I know you’ll understand. I am turning 18 very soon, and I just finished my senior year of high school here in the U.S.. I used to go to school in Japan when I was younger over the summer and winter breaks, and I never felt any kind of pressure to be thin there. Ever. Even going to Japan today, I’ve noticed that many older women (those in their 30s who enjoy wearing blacks, creams and grays, and shop for high-fashion Western designer brands like Louis Vuitton or Chanel) do partake in the fair-skinned, “frail” look, but none of them seemed to go as far as Korean women do. When I would ride the subways, I didn’t feel at all that Japanese teenagers were underweight. Most of the girls were… not fat, but not toned. They ate their obento (packed lunches), were energetic, very unique and very open to outsiders.

          But this year I started getting interested in Korean culture. (I’m a sociology buff…) I began looking up sites like allkpop.com and popseoul.com and was literally blown away by the supposed naturalness of Korean girls and women. I get what you mean when you speak of the heavily made-up and primped women toting their designer bags and heels on impossibly slim frames. Each is a work of artifice. But a work done so well it baffles those who don’t give Korean pop culture a second, more scrutinizing look. I had two Koreans friends I met at a summer program about 2 years ago who were painstakingly thin. And I was always in awe of how they got that way. There was nothing audacious about them, though, nothing calling for attention. They were simply “pure”, blameless… youthful, breathtaking to look at, innocent yet brilliant, fun-loving and hard-working. And although my whole life I’ve identified with my “white” half more than my Japanese half, I had this sudden wash of nostalgia for Asia and wanted desperately to assimilate- out of nowhere. I was sick of ruthless American individualism and liked the vibe societies like Korea gave off: that it was possible to be beautiful AND part of a community. Accepted, humble and yet shining. It wasn’t like in the United States where girls who really stand out are either labeled nerds, freaks, or -excuse my language- bitches.

          And so I did a little experiment on myself. I lost weight. I also dressed as best as I could like the Korean fashion magazines, wore delicate silver jewelry, bought the appropriate makeup and shoes, took great care of my skin and styled my hair with side bangs and layers very similar to the beauty dictum.

          And almost instantly everything in my life changed. At school, where I was valued for my strong opinions and outgoing work ethic, I became more reserved. I was BECOMING the Asian stereotype. Instantaneously compliments poured in from students of all races. People believed me to be more competent despite the fact that I looked frailer, and I was making friends at a quicker rate and enjoying classes much more as the room became completely silent when I had a comment to throw out. Girls caught with me in the hallways to tell me how they always admired my subtle beauty while boys altogether became very flirtatious yet respectable around me. Teachers couldn’t get enough of it. Yeah, I was a great student before, but now- here was this hard-working beautiful ASIAN student. So pure, reserved, graceful. It brought a smile to their faces. And all the while I was overhearing these conversations about my potential, a million thoughts were racing in my mind behind this glossy facade. I would literally lie awake at night for hours running everything through my head, writing down the days’ events and seeing if I couldn’t draw conclusions after changing specific things about myself. It was terribly interesting.

          That all sounds narcissistic, and it is, but it was incredible how much the WORLD buys into Korean beauty ideals. I mean, it isn’t just an Asian phenomenon. And the reason I believe so many people can be attracted to this look is the fact that it’s grounded in Eurasian looks which have the power to appeal to both races and any race outside of Europe or Asia that likes either of them individually. The “Most Attractive Face” was a computer-generated model made from a compilation of a myriad of races. Research suggests the closer you get to a multi-cultural master face, the more cultures you’ll appeal to. And nothing is more powerful than cross-cultural appeal.

          I just happen to be Eurasian, but I feel that Korean beauty ideals are always geared toward making women look like they have one Caucasian parent. The V-shaped jawlines, pale skin, large eyes (often the result of rampant cosmetic surgery among teens and women in their 20s in Korea), long flowy hair, and desire to lose weight and attain longer, leaner frames is something we all more or less buy into.

          And while that little experiment is over, I’m finding it very hard to get back to “normal” again. I’ve developed this mindset that anything over 115 lbs is “bad”, which, logically, is RIDICULOUS. But it’s like a poison. Once you’ve had a taste, things are never the same again.

          And to tell the truth, the thing I’m most worried about is the Kpop wave. You probably know more about it than I do, but basically Korean popular culture, particularly music, has exploded internationally recently. There has been a lot of news about music acts such as the Wonder Girls, Son Dam Bi, Lee Hyori and Big Bang leaking into the American music industry. And while Koreans everywhere celebrate this fusion onto the world stage, their ideals of beauty are bound to infect the minds of western societies as well. No matter how awful I have felt about my body in comparison with Asians, I have always taken refuge in western culture which embraces more full-figured forms and appreciates multiple looks as opposed to one, streamlined Korean one. As you said, here in the west, we make a distinction between rail-thin models and natural beauty. In Korea, that just isn’t the case. If Korean celebrities can pass themselves off as “naturally” slimmer than westerners, we’ve got a big problem, because they’re living manifestations of our own deleterious illusions of beauty. “If they can do it, why can’t we?” And you just can’t help but be drawn to their youthful innocence. Korean women take such good care of their skin, they can look 10 years younger than their Caucasian counterparts. And as if that wasn’t enough, Kim Yunjin from the ABC series LOST is the most searched actress on IMDB.com, no doubt because of her refreshing beauty, sweetheart personality and unobtrusively delicate frame. People adore her, worship her. But she isn’t even considered beautiful in the eyes of much harsher Koreans, who view her nose as too rounded and think her eyes could be wider and cheeks a bit slimmer.

          So my question is, what happens when the cosmetically-altered, jaw-dropping, doll-like celebrities are unleashed in America? How will the grand narrative of beauty in society be altered from then on out?

          It’s both exhilarating and frightening to think about!

          • James Turnbull said, on June 19, 2009 at 11:04 am

            LJ–It’s difficult to indicate one’s gratitude online. With commentators like yourself who put so much time and effort into what they wrote, usually I try to do so by replying in kind…but, I confess, you write about so many things, and I learned so much from that (especially about the differences between Japanese and Korean women, and the extremes of the latter), that I really don’t know where to begin (I even printed it out, all 2.5 pages!). So, sorry if it feels inadequate, but for what it’s worth thank you very much for writing that.

        23. HK said, on September 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm

          I’m a 21-yr old Korean who moved to america at 3-yrs-old. But I still grew up under the influence of my Korean relatives (mostly from the ones who still live in Korea). They considered me as the ‘pretty one’ of the family since I was young, so I grew up w/ the pressure to always look perfect.

          I appreciate your post because it validated my struggles w/ body image & the overwhelming stress from the Korean pressure. I’ve been anorexic/bulimic since 12 yrs old attempted recovery since 2007 but seems like an impossible fight sometimes. In my distorted mindset, I’d rather be thin/depressed/eating-disordered than be normal-weight(feels obese)/happy/free. I dont know how I could ever be happy at a normal weight. I know it’s very warped & stupid & distorted to think that way, and as much as I’ve tried to re-program my mind, I cant seem to break out of the korean standards. When I am anorexic, I get the attention of practically every man at the bars, which helps w/ the nonstop negative self-bashing in my head.

          Anyways, good to find a post that hits home for me.

          • James Turnbull said, on October 2, 2009 at 7:58 pm

            Sorry for taking so long to reply (bad cold all week), and sorry for hearing that. I’m glad that my post hit home, but I still wish I could help somehow, although it’s difficult to do so without knowing more about you. Let me offer this:

            1) I realize having an important body is more important for women than for men, but I similarly used to obsess over my body, working out at the gym regularly, and making sure I always wore clothes to show my muscles off. Not being very confident as a teenager too, then my confidence was tied heavily to having a good body too. Ironically it wasn’t until I no longer had the time and energy to worry about it so much after graduating though, and realizing that other things were more important, that I began to have any real success with women.

            2) More in the short term, I know this sounds very easy to say from the perspective of someone who hasn’t been single in 9 years, but assuming that you’re a nice and intelligent person, and if you exercise, eat healthily and generally take care of yourself then there will be guys that are interested in you…precisely because you don’t look anorexic. Probably bars aren’t the best place to meet them though.

            I’m sure you know all this, and so sorry if you’re tired of hearing it. But if it’s any consolation, I have sort of been there.

        24. longlifelive said, on November 12, 2009 at 2:37 pm

          nice, it may go on to other race just to go to unity …


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