The Grand Narrative

The Korean Education System and its Consequences for Adults

South Korean Student( Source: New York Times )

If you hadn’t noticed already, one theme that crops up again and again in my posts on this blog is how I consider many 20-something Koreans to be much more childish than their Western counterparts. It’s a generalization of course, but I also think that it is objectively true, and so blatantly obvious to anyone that’s been here more than 3 months, that I’m tempted to take it as a given and not explain why I have it at all. However, to those of you who’ve never been to Korea, or even those newbies amongst you that are here, it may sound like a big generalization at best and completely racist at worst, and my little caveat that I don’t consider any of my Korean friends childish probably won’t quite get me off the hook.

Here then, is my explanation, albeit one that took longer than I expected because of my now mobile daughter attempting to climb on my lap seemingly every time I sit down to write. As it happens though, she’s my primary motivation for writing in the first place.

AliceMy Little Vested Interest in the Korean Education System

This is Alice Jeong Turnbull, who just celebrated her first birthday party, a very big deal in Korea which cost us the equivalent of one month of a newbie foreign teacher’s salary (rent, pay etc. is all done in months in Korea). Her middle name is my wife’s family name 정, and she will share it with at least one and maybe two brothers or sisters. A lot of 국제커플, or ‘international couples’ as they are known here, try to choose names that work in Korean or English, or even have a Korean name and a separate English name, not so much to disguise the fact that the child is half-Korean (although that is a factor for some) but to acknowledge both cultures so to speak. But apart from my wife and I both liking the name (it was my grandmother’s), I had a very serious reason for giving her an English first name.

When I was a freshman in Auckland University back in the mid-90’s, I took some sociology courses (confusedly for Americans, they were called ‘papers’ in New Zealand, although the terminology may have changed since then). In one, the Maori lecturer explained that like most Maoris born in the 1960s and 1970s, she had an English first name and only a Maori second name because her parents didn’t want her to be discriminated against. Sure, racists may not ultimately have hired her because she was a Maori, but at least her name would have ensured that she at least got an interview.

New Zealand has of course changed a great deal since then, and I doubt Maori parents today would think twice about giving a Maori first name, but instead the problem has shifted towards another group: East Asians. Shortly before I left NZ in 2000 I read in The New Zealand Herald, the biggest paper there, that despite some schooling in the country, qualifications gained there, and near native English fluency, many people with East Asian names were still finding it difficult to find employment because employers, solely based on their names, feared a lack of English ability and/or an inability to ‘fit in’ at work.

Granted, those fears did have some justifications just a few years earlier: successive governments in the 1990s were notorious for allowing rich Japanese, Taiwanese and Korean fathers to come to New Zealand simply because they were rich, dumping their wives in their new homes and their non-English speaking children in the local schools there, and then spending 300 days on their business activities back in East Asia (only much later did the rules change to make sure they actually invested some of their money in New Zealand). Most Taiwanese families like this settled in the same rich Auckland suburb called Howick, which meant that their kids went to Macleans College, the same school my parents had connived into accepting my sister and I by briefly renting a house in the area and then moving out and buying a house miles away once we got in. So I was in the front line of all the controversy about this, with the school having something like 15-20% of its students from East Asia. This was all a bit over my head at the time, but on the plus side it did mean I had some East Asian friends as a teenager; on the other hand, it meant I had to (unsuccessfully) compete with some notorious overachievers.

Again, I’m sure New Zealand has improved since then, but considering both Australians and Kiwis consider themselves to be living in countries founded on immigration, they can be bizarrely myopic about integrating immigrants into society, in particular refusing to recognize their qualifications. Hence you have Bosnian refugees that were brain surgeons for 30 years having to do 7 year medical degrees again for instance; at least in America, they can drive a cab. My family suffered personally and financially from this, and it drove us back to England a few years later, so these problems aren’t just an abstract, academic issue for me. And of course neither is Alice. If a Korean name gives just one person pause, and treats my daughter differently because of it, then I would have done her a disservice. Sure, you can say that if someone doesn’t give her a job because of a Korean name then maybe I’m actually doing her a favor, but this is the real world, and if you know somewhere where you can pick and choose your jobs and bosses please let me know.

Which is all hopefully very interesting but a roundabout way of saying that I have a daughter, and so have a large interest in the Korean education system. And what my wife and I have decided is that, for her sake we will be leaving Korea in the end. If that is in 3, 5, or 10+ years largely depends on if and when I can start a career here outside of ESL (see my “About” page), or alternatively if I can get a Korea-related in New Zealand or elsewhere. But at the very latest, while Alice might enter a Korean middle school at the age of 13, she absolutely won’t be staying there long enough to graduate from it at 16, which means we’ll be leaving in about 2020-ish. But why so adamant about it?

The Korean Education System Before University

I have no problem with Korean elementary schools; in fact, in international tests students from them regularly get amongst the highest scores in the world. True, the Korean education system is perennially short of funds, is loath to treat exceptional students differently, and corporal punishment is both legal and liberally used and abused. I’ll return to that last point some other time, but for now I doubt it’s used much in elementary schools, and any teacher who so much as lays a finger on Alice will be in for a shock. On the other hand, Alice needs a strong Korean component to her childhood, Korean language ability, and the rote-learning of Korean schools matters very little when you’re learning the basics…I mean, how creative can you get learning 6×7=42, 7×7=49…King Harold and 1066, or the names of capitals?

The problem occurs when you hit 13, 14 and 15 and your worldview begins to extend beyond just your immediate surroundings and friends and family…I don’t need to go on about how crucial the environment in which you do this is. And what’s wrong about the Korean environment is because at this age the whole education system shifts gears from teaching what students need to know to what they need to know to get the best score in the University Entrance Exam, otherwise known as the 수능시험 “Su-nung Shi-hom” (say “soo-nung she-hom”).

Here, I’m going to explain why the test is so important, but I can’t go into the whole convoluted history of the pre-colonial concepts of education, the establishment of schools by Christian missionaries, the huge expansion of development-driven schooling under Japanese colonialism, the continuation of and imposition on top of that of American liberal education ideals after both wars, and then the playing out of the convoluted mix of all that in the five decades since that is how the test came to be so important. That would require an entire book, and indeed it has: it’s called Education Fever by Michael J. Seth, and if you’re interested in Korea, and if you’ve read this far you probably are, then you absolutely have to buy this book. Not because its about the only English language source on the subject, and not because anyone planning to live and work in a wholly foreign country should, but because if you’ve never been to this part of the world you have absolutely no idea of the huge scale and impact on society that it has here. It is absolutely nothing like back in your English-speaking home (unless that home is HK maybe).

First, there are the after-school hagwons/학원. Other than relatives that I’ve roped into ensuring that my daily hits remain above zero, I’d be surprised if any readers still left here wouldn’t know what they are, but I’ll be nice and point them to a great introduction here (see Wikipedia too) if you need it. As for the rest of you who know about Korea but haven’t been, you’re probably thinking nightly cram-schools like in Japan, and you’d be right, but the crucial point is that there are not just a few hundred of these for rich kids or the odd night-school for adults; there are tens of thousands of them, 4% of GDP is spent on them, and if by middle-school age (13) your children aren’t going to one or several after school every week night, then they will be ostracized as poor or freaks by their classmates, and you won’t fare much better with your relatives and neighbors either. (Update: this is according to my 13 year-old students, in 2 new pictures below; according to my 14 year-old students, they do have friends that don’t go to hagwons, but out of their entire school only maybe 5% of students don’t go)

Doesn’t sound all that bad? So Koreans place a high value on education, and so sending children to hagwons is the norm…so what? Then let me present the timetable for one of the hogwans I work at. I won’t give too many details about the hagwon online because of Korea’s draconian libel laws (read about a representative case  here), but they are not my concern here. Rather, just look at the times below:

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The “중1″, “중2″, and “중3″ refer to the middle school grades 1-3, or ages 13-15. The “고1″, “고2″, and “고3″ refer to high school grades 1-3, or ages 16-18. Students do their big University test in November of their last year in high school.

No, those times are not in the morning. That last class finishing at 12.20 means 20 minutes after midnight. If the non-Korean speakers amongst you can’t make it out what it’s all saying, in sum it means that, after school:

  • 13 year olds start at 5:50, have 2 60 minute classes and 1 70 minute one and go home at 9:30. Once they arrive home, they have homework from school to do and homework from the hagwon too.
  • Same for 14 year-olds. (Update: I asked my 14 year-old students about their schedules, and most get home at 10, do school and institute homework until going to bed at 12, and get up at 7:30 or so)
  • 15 year olds start at 7:05, have 1 60 minute class and 2 70 minute ones, finish at 10:55, and have a hell of a lot of homework to do.
  • 16 year olds, now at high school, start at 9:45pm, have 2 70 minute classes and finish at 12:20am, then have even more homework to do.
  • Same for 17 year olds.
  • Same for 18 year olds.
  • There are Saturday classes as well, as although its being phased out most schools still have a half-day on Saturday 2, 3, or 4 times a month, and there’s special classes on Sundays too for the lucky high school students.

Again, teenagers going to classes this late are not the exception; they are the norm. Yes, I hear you…WTF? 13 year-olds maybe going to bed at 11 or 12pm? 16 year olds going to bed at 1 or 2am, getting up at 6 or 7? Yes, not only are they not going to learn anything that way, but even a cultural relativist would be hard pressed not to admit that this is child abuse, pure and simple.

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Here are some of my 13 year-old students frantically finishing their homework for the other classes before the start of mine (I don’t give them any). Feeling sorry for them, sometimes I give them an extra 10 minutes after the bell has gone to work on it before I start our class. They have so much homework, the only way they can deal with it all is by doing the homework for one subject each and then sharing their answers with their friends, and getting the answers for another subject from them in return.

Of course, all the copying means that the homework is pretty useless, but ironically it leads to a spirit of sharing and mutual support that children in New Zealand, say, largely lack. To illustrate it, Michelle, the girl in the foreground, normally hates Jack, the boy she is talking to (foreigners (not unreasonably) find Korean names all the same, so to remember the students they tend to give their students English names if they want them, and most of them do),  but when it comes to homework she’ll help him just as readily as she would her female friends. Not knowing anything else, most Koreans don’t realize how unique this makes them and underrate it, but, like 쟁방극장, its one of the things foreigners come to love about Koreans.

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Still busy, but Jack shows he’s still a normal 13-year old.

By comparison, the schedule for my 500 or so 19-year old 재수 students, who’ve graduated from high school but are studying to do the test again, is a complete breeze (see the bottom of my post here for more details about them). An oddity is how 60 or 70 minute classes are considered okay for 13 year-olds, but the classes for 19 year-olds are only 50 mins! Indeed one might argue that this schedule is spoiling them…I mean, not only are the classes short, but they only spend 12 hours a day in their classes; seriously, with all their homework they could even manage to get to bed by 11pm if they tried hard! Tsk, tsk…the youth of today, they don’t know how lucky they are!

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Here are the 19 year-olds enjoying the last year of their footloose and fancy-free adolescence, in the 5-10 minute extra break before the bell I always give the poor things occasionally give them if we’ve finished a chapter of the book we use and don’t have time to start another:

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Most Koreans are aware that things are better overseas, but because this zombified hell is the norm for Korean teenagers it can still take a lot of convincing them that in New Zealand their parents would be sent to jail, or that when was 18 I not often enough did homework for a whole 1 or 2 hours after school, and I considered that tough at the time.

In case you’re getting the wrong impression, I don’t think that any of the other 80 or so teachers at my hagwon are evil, reveling in inflicting misery and suffering on poor sleep-deprived children. Some of them shouldn’t be teaching children, sure, but most genuinely like their students, are affectionate towards them (Western mania about pedophilia isn’t even on the radar here, although this is slowly changing), understand when they have important in-house tests at school and so let them study for those instead rather than giving them normal lessons during school test periods. A great many are undoubtedly like me too, being aware of the inherent flaws in the system and worrying that they are merely perpetuating it rather than contributing to its downfall, but in the meantime have to make a living too.

But the hagwon I work for is one of the oldest and biggest in Busan, with about 120 staff, 80 teachers, 15 drivers of mini-buses, and so many thousands of students that it has its own quasi-traffic cops to get them across the nearby 5-way intersection, and teachers have regular duty marshaling them through all the corridors. And with teachers generally there about 12 hours a day 6 days a week, they make a lot of money but the burnout means that there is a high turnover…so no teacher can be a revolutionary there. So while individual teachers are friendly and unevil, the organization as whole has a vested interest in maintaining Korean parents’ belief that only with this hagwons help can your children get a good score on that crucial exam. So change to the system will not be coming from hagwons…

…but it won’t be coming from parents either. Koreans are generally sensible, normal people, but on some issues they completely lose all vestiges of common sense. “Fan death” is the classic example. In that case, the persistent belief in it is largely due to a lack of critical thinking in their schooling, in turn a consequence of all the focus on the exam, so I’ll come back to that in the next post. As for overcoming what must surely be your most basic parental instincts and thinking that you’re a good parent if you force your child to get only 4 hours sleep a night…well, me pointing out how crucial and important the exam is, so much more so than in other countries, isn’t going to cut it; no matter how important it was, no decent Western parent would give their kids anything less than 8 hours sleep and free time for hobbies and friends while studying for it. Yes, I acknowledge that there are a whole host of historical, cultural, and socio-psychological reasons that allow Korean parents to make that mental leap, and many a foreigner here has spent a drunken evening ranting about dealing with the consequences of them. But, like I said, figuring all that is probably best left to your own drunken rants, so I’ll spare you here.

For now, I’ll leave you with that timetable, a lot to digest if its news to you, and hopefully it will put you in the right frame of mind to appreciate how important the exam must be to Koreans, which I’ll explain in Part 2. Also, as change isn’t coming from hagwons or parents, I’ll outline what the government is doing to change things.

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  1. Anonymous said, on July 17, 2007 at 10:22 am

    Just stumbled accross this site while searching for info on how to tell when kimchi has gone bad, bizarrely enough. Congrats on an interesting blog.

    Re. Schooling, I used to live in Asia and am familiar with hagwons, bushibans etc. You might be interested to know that even though I’m not Korean, I find it surprising to hear that in NZ, 2 hrs of homework would be the norm. At school in England it was normal to get home and then basically do homework all evening for hours until bed at 11, 12 or 1 am (with breaks for food etc). We too would have so much work that doing work in other classes, on the bus, in the car, in lunch breaks etc was the norm. At 12 or 13 we would pull all-nighters for essays or cramming for exams, if you weren’t asleep or eating then you were studying. So the picture painted here doesn’t seem at all unfamiliar to me. I went to a public school (=pay fees) in England. I’ve long had the impression that the US educational system is very different to the UK system, while still acheiving high results, so its interesting to hear about NZ too.

  2. James Turnbull said, on July 17, 2007 at 10:44 am

    Hi, thanks for the comment.

    I admit, I may have exaggerated the lack of homework NZ high-school students had to do, at least when I was one. I personally was planning to do a combined BA/Bsc at University, and the grades for being accepted into either were so low that I got away with doing minimal homework. Getting away with being so lazy gave me bad habits that I’m still trying to get rid of!

    Classmates of mine that were competing for entrance to degrees like law certainly studied much longer and harder, and I did hear the occasional story of someone passing out at their desks at 1am. But most would still only be studying 3-4 hours a night on average, and this was at one the best schools in the country. There was definately none of the frenzied finishing of homework in any spare 5 minutes that I see here.

    And I’m talking about 17 or 18 year-olds in their final year. Before that, there were the occasional ambitious students who wanted to go to University a year early for instance, but for most students things were much more relaxed.

    Come to think of it, I was in one the best schools in the country already, so I never came across students who needed good grades in their (then) School Certificate, taken at 15, to get into a good high school. But I still wouldn’t have come across too many at any other schools I think; as I’ll explain in the next post on this subject, 99% of NZers really don’t care what University you went to, let alone what high school.

  3. Baltimoron said, on July 18, 2007 at 9:04 am

    Aside from teaching, I’ve had two long-term experiences with the Busan public school system.

    Firstly, I lived with a Korean mother with two kids for over two years, one in Busan. One daughter attended elementary school. Both girls also went to my institute to learn English (on discount). Firstly, Korean conscientiousness about studying is not genetic, but coercing kids to be studious seemingly is. The eldest girl couldn’t have cared less for school. Fortunately, most of her homework was math and writing a diary. This is one homework assignment that has also destroyed what is a great way to learn and express oneself. Most Koreans think it’s a drudge.

    There also was the issue of regionalism. This young girl grew up in Incheon. For the whole time she was in Busan, kids ridiculed her accent. This is no different than other places, but it did not help her attitude about school. She told me also that the teacher threatened to hit her sometimes, but he never carried through.

    One aspect of education missing was public speaking. From 4th grade, I had to give speeches, mostly in social studies. To my mind, Korean student do not do this, and it shows. Speaking in public is considering almost insulting.

    Another aspect inculcated early, according to my wife, is equality. Students do not try to excel, and overachievers are ridiculed. I forget the term now, but basically students who get superlative grades without sharing answers or other sociable activities are considering “unharmonious”. I had this humorous incident with a prof once where he wanted me to translate some of the text on the school’s certificates to English. At first, I suggested “summa cum laude”, etc., but he did not understand the Latin thing. So, I suggested some sort of translation of the Latin terms, but he objected to that. We settled on a series of unrelated distinctions, like “harmonious”, “friendly”, etc. but no ordination. It was not Confucian, he explicitly said, to rank students, because the others would feel bad.

    I also had a high school student from a rich family sub-renting my apartment. I can verify he never slept. I tried to give him space, but he wanted to max out his experience. On the weekends his friends would come over (quite a deal for them)! But, mostly, he lived in PC rooms. I learned much of the time he was in the place up the street, not studying. I was amazed he only had two uniforms, and about four items of casual clothes, plus some electronic stuff and books. He was a good kid, but I never saw him studying. Studying, I gather, is also a public activity in Korea.

    I also noticed in the institutes that middle school students were nearly catatonic compared to adult students. Elementary school kids are almost out of control, too, but loads of fun until they get violent. But, I hated middle school students, because when I finally got them to communicate they would stop showing up. One student told me, “Class is too hard! I don’t want to talk!” So, I did both halves of the conversation, and they all adored it.

    I truly believe Koreans do not like learning so much as the consequences. That’s a big problem for a globalized world. Even my father who hates reading, reads novels with his tech manuals because it helps him be a better manager.

    Look forward to the next stuff!

  4. Bryan said, on October 25, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Interesting.

    I’m in university in Canada right now and I don’t do any daily homework. Before an essay is due, I do some writing, but that’s about it other than some readings on the bus. Oh–I get straight A’s too. I’m not trying to brag; I want to prove a point:

    Although most of my peers do a bit more homework than me and their grades are lower than mine, they don’t spend hours like in Korea.

    The only people who spend multiple hours doing homework are who I refer to as “stupid.” These people don’t know how to think critically and are very inefficient at absorbing information. They know no memory techniques and if you ask them to read over a passage they won’t make any generalizations from it.

    The Korean students attending these institutions would be better off learning how to think critically and integrate concretes into generalizations (rather than leave them as floating, isolated units). Rote memorization is the learning method of a parrot, not of a conceptual human being.

    They need to be learning *how* to study and think rather than *what* to think. In short, they need a revolution in epistemology.

  5. Devrajan Srinivasan said, on March 1, 2008 at 9:22 am

    I am an Indian who worked briefly in Wellington, New Zealand in1980. Muldoon was in power and the Department of Labour was very devious with visa applications, whether for residency or visiting.

    They give incomplete or wrong information, do not advise you about your rights and lead applicants through a wild-goose-chase.

    What does it say about schooling in New Zealand? Not that any country is perfect, it is so easy to criticise others and be blind to one’s own

    Cheers!

    Devrajan

  6. James Turnbull said, on March 1, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Devrajan, normally I’d say thanks for the comment, but really, what relevance do visa problems in New Zealand in 1980 have to the Korean Education System? Or the New Zealand one for that matter?

    As for it being easy to criticise others…yawn…do I really need to preface every criticism of Korea with “I admit that New Zealand isn’t 100% perfect, but Korea…”?

  7. Devrajan Srinivasan said, on March 1, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    Hi, James!

    The relevance is that what you learn in school is reflected later in life and you carry the baggage of those formative years

  8. James Turnbull said, on March 1, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Devrajan, I’m sorry, but that’s not quite what you said in #5, and your new, blindingly obvious, point isn’t relevant or useful either.

    I’m usually grateful for comments, but do readers really need to be told that “its easy to criticise others” and “what you learn is school is reflected later in life”? Any smart nine year-old could tell them the same thing.

  9. Phil E. Sieve said, on March 27, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Thanks 3 Baltimoron. I feel vindicated having had middle school students who didn’t want to speak despite apparently trying to get into a good high school (I think their parents put them up to it as they didn’t seem very motivated)

    I am working at a hogwan as an English teacher. I am from
    America and have no Korean or Asian in general, in me. I am having
    difficulty knowing what to do with some students. I want to know
    what’s going on in their minds. I want to know what would be a
    effective threat, that would not get me blacklisted, and what an
    effective motivational thing would be for 5th graders as well as those
    in their 2nd and 3rd years of middle school would be. I would like to
    know what’s funny to them. I have tried games and I’ve tried “no
    snacks” or “no games” for acting such and such a way”. They can
    entertain themselves and seem to care less if I don’t give them
    stickers or snacks. I don’t want to buy their peace with treats and
    stickers. I really don’t want to leave out one who is doing a lot
    better with their level of ability in behavior and/or English skills
    and reward only the easy winners. I might lose the trying students
    though not rewarding the successful ones might cause me to loser
    them. I don’t want to shout at the trouble ones (the “ringleaders”,
    as we’d say) as my bad experiences with them has made me less
    motivated to try Korean. I’m sure the test to get into a better high
    school is too far off for them to care, though the ones who were
    apparently trying to get in didn’t seem to care much either. I’m
    really at a loss as to what to do. I don’t know child psychology
    (specifically that of those raised in East Asia and specifically,
    Korea) much less about teaching or class management. I read a couple
    teaching books, but I might need to know their cultural context to get
    through to them. Maybe I’ll never get the connection with them as
    there are some things Westerners, North Americans and, more
    specifically, Americans have in common that people from here won’t
    understand.

    I am stressing out and fear, without understanding of the mentality of a Westerner’s psychology in this context, it’s always possible I could be too tough on a kid. Right now, I’m very meek, like Kenshin with the 2 kids in Wandering Samurai but, deep down, I’m feeling more and more like Mr. McVicker from Beavis and Butthead and it’s not impossible a Buzzcut, from that show, might emerge.

    One teacher has noticed my stress, but can I really get any useful help from people raised in East Asia? I really want to be able to look at my soon-to-be-3-when-my-contract-is-up nephew and his one year old niece and not imagine them as little hellraisers in 7-8 years. I’m afraid of becoming hardened if I don’t get help beyond pious platitudes that my inferiority complexed-mind (not from being white here, but I understand Korean’s being run over defensive, yet humorous, mentality) can’t manage.

    I think Korean teachers who know English pretty well, so much so they can conversate with native English speakers, should be required to have English-only classes. My classes are not enough time to become fluent enough. They are not going to sound like a guy from the Midwest of the US, so they might as well be taught by these Nigerians that join us at foreigner night if these places are really wanting foreigners. I read an article by a Filippino who said they could do it better…might as well. Still, I think Korean teachers need to be the conversation teachers if they can converse with native English speakers because they can also understand the kids and help them, at times, in their own language.
    They say no teacher training/experience needed but, believe me, you need it even if they don’t require it!

    Thanks!
    Phil

  10. James Turnbull said, on March 27, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Phil,

    my first piece of advice is to relax, and realise that it sounds like your a stage that all new teachers at hagwans here reach (you are a new teacher, yes?). Here are some home truths to bear in mind that will help get you past it:

    1. It’s a very very rare hogwan where student’s education is taken as seriously as making money from parents. This means that the parent’s often warped ideas about English education always come first, and hagwon owners will usually never point out to parents that their children behave badly, or get low scores in class, because 9 times out of 10 parents will then send their children to another hagwon instead. At many places I’ve worked at, I’ve only been allowed to give glowing reviews of students.

    Teaching is difficult in this situation. It’s not your fault.

    2. Children have physical and mental needs, and relaxing after school with their friends is one of them, not being cooped up in a dingy, too hot or too cold hogwans studying until late at night. So when they can relax and get away with things they will, which is in more lenient foreigner’s classes.

    Before you get angry with them, imagine what you would do in their situation. It’s not their fault that they’re so grouchy. You would be too.

    3. There will always be students who don’t want to study (see number 2). If your hogwan doesn’t discipline them, then there’s little you can do yourself. Again, it’s not your fault.

    With all that working against you, it’s easy to get angry and frustrated. Remember that the above is not your fault, take a deep breath, walk outside into the hallway for a minute or so if necessary, then do your best with the few students who behave and want to learn. That’s about all you can do, and it does make it worth it.

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  12. Phil E. Sieve said, on May 7, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Thanks James, but it’s bothering the teacher that hired me. One part of me wants to say “Blow it out your ass as you are an experienced teacher with enough years in America to ask better questions and to know Americans well enough unless your open mind can’t wrap itself around personalities that want friendships deeper than bar buddies and those who want to get laid”. He actually decided on me because I would be open to trying different food. BTW They are worse than Archie Bunker’s putting ketchup on everything with their hot sauce obsession. I hope the red pepper crop fails someday (if you love mayo, go to Japan). I can’t respect any culture that eats food that makes them sweat during hot days or in a hot climate. Even in a tea house, the Japanese would have images of a different season on the stuff that holds stuff for tea ceremonies. Secondly, they take off their shoes, but cough everywhere and put the sticks from their mouths right into the common bowl! It’s a hygienic nightmare! Heaven forbid they ever get a superbug! They’d drop off like flies!

    Still, I feel guilty I let kids run all over me. Well, I did throw one out and he never came back and I can’t easily enough force, without causing bruises, other kids who act up. I act like a nuissance to get them to speak English since talking to their friends is not easy with me, but that doesn’t work. I threatened to tell the director, who can tell their parents. I have tried all kinds of interesting things to stimulate them to try English, but nothing stimulates them more than each other. Where do they get all this energy if they are supposed to be so tired?! I can’t affect their future directly with punishments than mean a damn. Now I can guess why their parents aren’t being called, though I can’t guess why the other teachers, especially the one whose class they disrupt, doesn’t punish them for disrupting his class. I’m not going to hit them, though I pretend to stomp on one if he is rolling around on the floor. They don’t get the hint. I’m wondering how much alcohol is in cough syrup to avoid smelling of it. I’m really getting that stressed out! If it didn’t bother anyone else, I’d just throw up my arms and talk to whoever wants to talk. We can’t use the internet for interactive programs as the place is technologically backward, yet they’ve opened a new place. Maybe that food they bring in could pay for a new computer. I am the first one approached to ask if one could use it for a moment.

    Like you say, I know they’re suffering, but they can’t be bothering other teachers’ classes. Since teaching English is futile to most of them, I told them they could do homework. For all I care anymore, they could sleep. Thanks to modernism, once-great nations have welcomed in, by low birth rates and self-hate social policies, conservative or Marxist Hispanics and Muslims–both bringing gangs that will not become part of the nation. Thanks to appeasement and globalism, nations have castrated themselves (maybe in preparation for a goddess worship of Earth, for which we have been prepared with “God is dead”) for a false peace (a misunderstood version of love thy neighbor with big bucks as a fringe benefit) and disemboweled themselves for peace and big bucks. Unless the world loves English more as a NWO language, we’ll all be probably speaking Chinese, Arabic or Spanish in 20 years at most (likely, since our dollar is tanking and a global depression has been predicted anyway). S. Korea is doing that economically to make peace with N. Korea.

    Despite all this foolishness inspired by our declining culture, which inspired communism and vain consumerism in Asia in the 19th and early 20th centuries and little naked women pictures littering the sidewalks in these days (but that is not enough for Western “open-minded” people who are ironically intolerant of close-minded nations–ones not like Amsterdam or Sweden–the kind of society that will last on that alone, whereas the other 2 and those that emulate them, are on auto-destruct), We Westerners really cannot accuse the Koreans of a lack of critical thinking. -I would have to say, in the days of Plineo de Oliveira and G.K. Chesterton, we at least had ones like them teaching wisdom from the West. Now, we think with our checkbooks and our crotches. That does not excuse Korea’s education problem of ditching the part of Confucianism, where the students respect teachers.

    As the West shifts from ultra-conservative to ultra liberal to ultra conservative, they seem to have gone from kids not laughing and being stoic (in the ’70s and ’80s?) to horsing around everywhere. I’m afraid S. Korea is selling out its heritage, despite putting on a patriotic mask and doing the dance, by going global–as much as it’s a hygienic and educational nightmare by misapplied and pick-and-choose Confucianism.

    Screw Teacher’s Day! What a joke that is! Why don’t they just kick me in the groin to show me how valuable I am by how little I, with no background or training, am backed-up? I never came to chase women or kids or to follow the money trail. If I left now, I’d have to pay my way back. Oh well, it would cost as much as a few or so therapist sessions after staying here longer, I’m so ready! I have one of the generous and fair bosses, yet her hands are probably tied by the economics of pabo (you know that word by now, I’m sure) parents!

    Oh BTW It really burns my hide when someone blows off comments like mine as coming from just some burnt-out teacher–i.e. a loser. Not everyone is the kind that mixes in anywhere or even eventually. If there are more who cannot adjust coming here, they need to understand all possibilities as equally ok to experience–and I have one of the fair and nice bosses! Still, even here, maybe parents need their good reports or else. I can’t imagine the experiences of those who have dictators!

  13. Sung-Jin Lim said, on May 15, 2008 at 3:39 am

    Many people that have not seen what the Korean Education system is first hand simply do not know what they are talking about. As you can see from my name i am a Korean however, i have lived in South Africa for much of my childhood and know the stark contrasts between the Western Education System and the Korean Education System [i do not know the other asian countries' education system so i will not comment on those].

    What the Korean students experience during their secondary schooling years is nothing to what we, who have experienced western education systems, have gone through. I have also had sleepless nights studying, doing homework etc etc. HOWEVER, try doing that for the next three years of your life just to get into university. I am currently a tertiary institute in Korea called Seoul National University. Most foreigners will not know what sort of extreme sacrifices many of these students have placed to get into this university and they are the lucky ones. If you wanna make a comment on this education system, talk to a person who has experienced it OR experience yourself. then we’ll see who’s talking. The current blogger here has a very good grasp of Korean culture. I applaud you on actually making an effort to understand this country and its complicated heritage.

    I have many friends that have gone to US Ivy League schools and one has gone to Oxford, but the efforts i know they put in high school is nothing compared to the efforts Koreans put into in order to get into the SKY unversities [Seoul,Korea,Yonsei University].

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  15. john thornton said, on August 25, 2008 at 12:50 pm

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  16. James Turnbull said, on August 25, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    John,

    I don’t mind criticism, but a 3000 word post really deserves more than 4 in response, don’t you think?

  17. LOLS said, on September 8, 2008 at 12:02 am

    ummm in korea they have a fun song to learn the multiplication, so they’re a lot more creative than you think. while in us you juts memorize…

    american education is crap, everyone konws it.

  18. Sonja said, on November 9, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Wow.
    I read that it works a little bit like that, too, in Japan.
    I don’t know how it is in China, where I come from.
    I now live in Germany, and I have normally 7 lessons that have 45 minutes per day, but sometimes it’s eight/six.
    They start at 8am in the morning, or 7.10am when you’re unlucky.

    We don’t have any classes in the evening at normal schools, and not every school/class has the same amount of lessons I have.

    There are 3 different types of highschool here, and only one really guarantees you a good job, which is called Gymnasium.
    (I attend a school like that)

    Our class consists of 33 students, but that’s only because our school is very small, and a lot of students want to attend it, since it’s the only one in the area.

    There’s also this new system that you do your ‘Abitur’ ( certificate to get into an university ) after 11/12 years.

    In the past it was 13.

    Well, we also get homework, but I don’t spend much time on them, because I almost never do them anyway. x)

    So I really can’t understand how the korean students can endure spending so much time on homework.
    Where is the free time?

    And they have to go to schools after REGULAR school too?
    I only have to do this once a week, for one and a half hour.

    And when is there time for hobbies?

    How can the government allow teenagers to only have 6 hours sleep a night?
    I don’t get this at all,
    since I’m already dead tired after even 7 hours of sleep…
    =/

    Oooh and I’ve read a lot of your posts and think this blog is very interesting.
    I am interested in East Asia ^^

  19. James Turnbull said, on November 10, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Hi Sonja,

    thanks for your compliments about my blog, and for explaining about the German education system. By coincidence, I was recently reading an article about it in the Economist magazine, which probably has nothing in it you don’t know personally but which I’ve linked to for the sake of other readers.

    Unfortunately I’m not exaggerating about the lack of free time and sleep experienced by Korean students, and Korean schools are increasingly taking it for granted that students attend after-school institutes and so will base lessons on things learnt there but not covered in classes at school. See here for a good description of one mother’s case of how this almost forces her to send her children to institutes, despite her hatred of them.

  20. whatupthen said, on February 9, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Any tips on how to obtain Education Fever? It must be a college text because it’s mighty expensive, but I can’t seem to find it on any of the online booksellers, anyway. Or, I should say, it’s not available via those sites.

    • James Turnbull said, on February 9, 2009 at 12:00 pm

      Sorry, but I bought my copy years ago, so your guess is as good as mine. Was surprised to read on WhatTheBook that it’s out of print though.

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  22. Robyn King said, on March 23, 2009 at 8:23 am

    Hello,my name is Robyn King and I am a 24-year-old female living in Los Angeles,California The United states Of America and I really do think and would say that all 100%(one-hundred percent)koreans both males and females all over the world get straight A+’s and straight A’s in school and college and have the very top rate of their education just like the japanese race of people do.They have done been having an extremely very high excellent education rate forever all through their lives and it is their culture to get straight A+’s and straight A’s in school without being allowed to bring home nothing less than an A+ and an A on their report cards.Their parents are very strict on them with education and they are very hard working students and people.They also have the highest IQs in the world and are geniuses.Their parents want them to be perfect in everything that they do and be very successful in life.I hope and pray that they still continue doing their best still getting straight A+’s and straight A’s and still continue doing excellent in everything.

  23. Robyn King said, on March 23, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Hello,my name is Robyn King I am a 24-year-old female living in Los Angeles,California The United States Of America and yes all koreans and other oriental asians both males and females have to be smart and to me they do.

  24. Chris Miller said, on May 14, 2009 at 12:38 am

    I teach in Canada, and I taught in Korea before. It isn’t really all that different. The kids here work even harder than the kids in Korea, or at least just as hard. We give the students lots of elaborate, challenging assignments to complete and also tests and exams. The Korean students and parents I know here (and I know lots because I go to a Korean church and my wife is Korean) all tell me that the Canadian education system is a lot more difficult and a lot more work for the kids. The big thing that makes everyone think that the Korean system is too hard is that they have “study hall” for the university-geared students that goes until 10pm in many schools, starting from grade 6. This though has more to do with the fact that the parents come home very late from work (so the system is set up to handle this – good use of tax dollars?) than that it is some kind of institutionalized torture! :) (HAHAHA!) So, kids in Canada study and research at home, and the kids in Korea do it at school with their friends. So what? Same thing different place. The Koreans also go to various “hakwons” after school. The reason for this is that they are AFFORDABLE (they include hakwon busses that pick up your kid from the last hakwon they were at!) In Canada, if you were to take swimming lessons, then extra math lessons, then judo, then art after school, including taxi fares to get you from place to place you’d be paying thousands of dollars a month! In Korea it’s cheap, so lots of parents jump at the opportunity to enrol their kids in the stuff. There are still PLENTY of kids who don’t do any of this, and who finish high school every day at 3 o’clock and GO HOME.
    Because you guys’ don’t speak the Korean language, you don’t really know what is going on there, even when you visit there.

    • James Turnbull said, on May 14, 2009 at 8:45 am

      Chris, can’t recall where I said that the stuff Korean children learn at school or hagwons is necessarily harder than in Canada. Can you please show me?

      You also miss the main point, which is that 13 year-olds going to hagwons until 10pm (then to do school homework once they return home), or 18 year-olds going to hagwons until 12:20pm, often to wake up at 6am or so, is borderline child-abuse, as my father who’s a social worker in Australia who’s had to deal with some immigrant families on this issue has confirmed.

      I challenge you to find any parents in Canada who force their kids to endure the same hours.

      There’s much else that’s problematic with what you said, including the facts that hagwons are not “cheap and affordable,” as evidenced by parents complaining about their costs always being a big political issue, and that there are not “plenty” of kids that don’t attend them, but a small, poor, and poorly-performing minority, but regardless, the timetable I showed speaks for itself.

      By they way, I speak pretty decent Korean as it happens, nor with living here for 9 years and having a wife and two children, am I “just visiting here.” Sorry if that means you’ll have to leave your comfort zone and actually deal with the issues I raised and what I actually said, rather than just lecturing me as one of the “guys over here” and projecting your stereotypes of foreign teachers in Korea on me.

      Alternatively, you could just shut the fuck up. Your call.

  25. Jens-Olaf said, on May 14, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    My children are attending elementary school in Korea since one and two years. Coming from Germany I have three concerns about the education in Korean schools:

    Critical thinking.
    Sleep. (I want that my children will have enough sleep. 8 hours minimum until they are grown up with 18).
    #Cough# Time for playing, sports, friends etc. Outside school.

    So I tried to compare school in Europe with Korea. Open thread at Marmot’s hole.
    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/03/14/open-thread-91/
    This is what I asked for:

    Quote:
    Could we do the maths about the educational sytem in Korea now?

    PISA:
    Korea is top

    I need numbers.

    Kindergarten
    Korea starts with Mathematics in Kindergarten, age 4.
    In Germany they do a little but less.
    Finland?

    Elementary school
    Korea has two or three hours more mathematics at school per week.
    Germany less.
    Finland?

    Elementary school:
    In Korea almoust all students start with mother tongue Korean. Some Korean students go to hagwons even to study with stuff ahead of their class.

    In Germany 10 to 20 % or more start with little knowledge of German language in elementary school in big cities. Big problem

    Finland?

    Middle school.
    In Korea students start to learn frequently in hagwons after school. English and Mathematics and others.
    In Germany you do your homework.
    Those who need additional help are considered beeing loosers, somtimes. Or am I wrong?

    Finland?

    Highschool
    In Korea lack of sleep, studying until midnight or more.
    In Germany. Far less.

    Finland?

    Result: Korea scores high in comparison, but what is the price?

    Seoul Finn posted as response:

    Quote:
    SeoulFinn March 14, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    #2 Jens-Olaf:

    I’ll try to answer some of your questions, but in case you’re really interested about this topic, I suggest that you follow the link below.

    [url=http://www.oph.fi/english/page.asp?path=447,4699,88622,4847]The Finnish National Board of Education[/url]

    (Admins/mods: Feel free to fix the link if it doesn’t work!)

    On that page you can find a truckload of information. Check the PDF files for more information.

    Finnish pre-school, ages 6-7:
    As far as I know, the main aim is to teach kids how to socialize with other kids, how to be a part of a bigger group and prepare them for the real school. The kids are taught the alphabets and the very basic reading and writing skills, but these skills are usually mastered at the “real” school.

    Elementary school, ages 7-16, 9 grades:
    Math, avg. weekly classes (45min) per grade.
    3/3/4/4/4/4/3/3/4

    English, min. number of classes per grade:
    -/-/2/2/2/2/2/3/3

    Sports, min. number of classes per grade:
    2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2

    Minimum number of classes per grade:
    19/19/23/23/25/25/30/30/30

    (The numbers are from one particular city, but the main guidelines are set by the ministry of education.)

    In Finland, almost all students have Finnish as their native language. There are some whose mother tongue is Swedish (we have 2 official languages), Russian and probably Somali(?). (Just the other day I read that every 100th person in Helsinki is Somali or Somali descent. Whoa!)

    English lessons start at the 3rd grade. Those who want to voluntarily study 2nd foreign language (German, Russian etc.) can do so starting from the 4th grade.

    In Finland kids do their homework, play games or do sports on their free time. They don’t go to a private institution to learn math or English.

    High school can be tough for some, but it still leaves plenty of time to goof around, chase skirt (or at least practice how to do it) and socialize with your peers. If you suffer from lack of sleep, it’s not because of the school and schoolwork, but your hobbies!

    Maybe Antti can chime in if he has more up to date information about this topic.

  26. surin2sayan said, on May 16, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    I hope the conclusion of the last comment is obvious. Finnish students in school have a lot of spare time and get almoust the same results in comparative studies like PISA.

    • James Turnbull said, on May 20, 2009 at 5:25 pm

      It was, and thanks for taking the time to add all that information. Sorry I didn’t say so sooner!

  27. mitchi said, on June 16, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    hi there just read your blog, was intresting..
    im english and live in uk, im 21 years old and work full time! booo
    i have a problem…. i met a korean girl last year and well.. kind of fell inlove with the girl, i know crazy aint it! well it has happend now and she has moved back to korea to finish uni. my problem is once she finishes uni she wants me to move out there with her.. but i didnt go to uni myself i moved home at 16 and been working and liveing by myself ever since. i have been looking on internet to try find what kind of work i can do out there but there is nothing for me unless i have a bach degree :(
    i was wondering is there anythink in korea for someone like me a fluent english speak but no degree on school Qaulifacations? its stressing me out alot because i cant afford to quit my job and go to uni and she seems very confedent in me to sort one and and move there and be with her, if u have any info on this topic please reply and let me know. it would be much help thank you :)

    • James Turnbull said, on June 16, 2009 at 8:00 pm

      Sorry I can’t be of more help Mitchi, but the only other way I know of that foreigners can live here is by getting transferred by the companies they work for to their Korean branches.

      If you pose the question at The Hub of Sparkle here then you’re more likely to find someone that can help, but – sorry to be pessimistic – I don’t think that anyone will be able to come up with something. Unless you get married, then if you’re to stay together your partner is going to have to leave Korea.

  28. mitchi said, on June 16, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    so if we are married can i teach in korea or co-teacher or w/e ? thanks for replying to my comment mate

    • James Turnbull said, on June 16, 2009 at 8:45 pm

      You’re welcome, just wish I could help like I said. And again no sorry, you could live in Korea but you still couldn’t teach.

  29. mitchi said, on June 16, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    will be getting the tefl but a degree is not going to happen i think unless i stay here and you never know future, but if i have a tefl and live in korea married to my gf can i teach english? :)

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  31. soos said, on June 29, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    I think this is a fascinating look at the educational system in Korea, though I don’t think I’m as shocked as I should be, considering that many of the educational customs common in South Korea have carried over rather nicely in the United States, particularly in areas such as the one I live in, where there is a high concentration of South Korean immigrants (I’m second-gen Korean myself). Rather than the crazy night schedules and the intense concentration on homework, what I’m concerned about in terms of the Korean education system is its all-consuming concentration on PASSING THE TEST. I feel that the US, compared to what I have seen and understood of Korean schooling, positively emphasizes critical thinking and creativity, whereas much of Asian schooling seems to be about massive cramming of facts and massive cramming of facts only. To be fair, there is a decent amount of hype around the SATs in the US, but even that, I believe, is proliferated mostly by the Asian (though not strictly Korean) population. Case in point: the presence and continued popularity of the lesser cousins of the Korean hagwon, which offer classes with less extreme hours and probably less work but which inaccurately (in my opinion, at least) make the SATs out to be “the test to end all tests.” The truth is that it simply isn’t, which is the thing that makes America significantly different from Korean, where not passing that one test actually has a direct impact on students. There’s also no “failing” the SATs, which I think represents a mindset that is radically different from that in Korea. My mother, who is a native-born South Korean and has lived in the US for almost 18 years now often tells me that many Korean students come out of the educational system without the ability to think for themselves. What are your opinions on this difference?

    Also, another thing – perhaps it’s different in NZ, but it’s pretty much normal for students in the top quartile here in NY, regardless of race or background, to study at unreal hours in the morning. I’m certainly not advocating this, since it was complete and utter torture for me when I went through it, but I’ve got to say that I’m simply not shocked at all by the hours at which these kids have to do work. I’ll concede that I never had hagwon HW to contend with after 5th grade (after which I insisted that I would do all my work on my own), but even so, I was sleeping at 1 in the morning when I was 14 and up until around 2 months ago (I just graduated high school), it was normal for me to be sleeping at 4 AM and getting up at 6:15 AM. I know I am an exception, though – only the upper 5% of high schoolers I know, gradewise, actually do this, since we generally have more and harder classes than most students. What I’m curious about is whether these unhealthy sleeping patterns are common in all groups in South Korea, regardless of grades.

    Thanks for writing your blogs – they’re amazing to read, especially since I’m Korean and barely know some of the things you’re talking about. It’s really very eye-opening, and I appreciate it :)

  32. ooloo said, on July 20, 2009 at 8:02 am

    Recently found your blog. It’s very interesting. I like that you’re actually trying not be to be too biased and do have experience living in Korea…^^ Such cannot be said of may Westerner’s blogs about Korea.

    I immigrated from Korea to Canada when I was 10. I never went to Hagwons.. From what I remember, it was illegal until about 20 years ago, precisely to prevent these crazy hours of studying and competition. Usually, I got home and did homework for an hour and played with my friends, running around the neighbourhood. But the obsession with education was always there, brewing under the surface…with some people finding tutors illegally..and you’d occasionally hear rumours about them….

    But as you said about these Hagwons and even Korean work force… the large number of hourse put into studying and working do not mean that they’re productive hours. Except the portion of students who are really keen and study hard, I’m sure a lot of the other kids spend the time socializing or just sitting around. And I get the feeling they’d just sit around socializing in PC/game rooms if they didn’t have Hagwons… ^^;;;

    And the keen people in other countries study hard too. Just… a bit later than they do in Korea. ^^ In (even a slack-off country like) Canada, where there’s no standardized entrance exam so they accept most people with decent grades, a lot of programs will fail 30-40% people in class every year in Univerisity. We call this “weeding out”…. ^^;; So the people who want to graduate in a decent program with decent marks for decent job/graduate school prospects will often study all day except to sleep or eat… with frequent all-nighters. Except that it just doesn’t seem as cruel when you’re an adult, doing it out of your own will (because flunking will mean you have wasted a couple of years of your life and thousands of dollars in tuition.)

    I really have mixed feelings about this educational thing. On one hand, I can’t really blame them for being so obsessive/competitive. It is a small country with very little natural resources and a high population density. It’s one thing to say you should let the kid have more fun but what if the kid wants nice things and doesn’t want to live in poverty as an adult?

    And in a way, I think some of the educational obsession is due to how rapidly the education levels increased in Korea in the past few decades. I know a lot of people now in their 50’s may not have graduated from highschool. Back then, getting food on the table was more important than education. A lot of the people in late 30s-40’s now have not gone to university. They may have wanted to but may not have had the money. For a lot of parents of those teenagers, university was a romantic dream that they never got to experience. It’s easy enough to say to your kid, “I couldn’t study even if I wanted to because I didn’t have enough money. Why can’t you be happy that you can afford to study and go to university?” It’s especially easy to say that if you yourself haven’t had to study and compete and experience how hard it is… I’m hoping that the generation of kids who are now experiencing “Soonung Hell” will not do the same to their own kids… but that remains to be seen.

    As an aside, I always thought obsession with education was a very cultural thing. Education to Korea is as cultural as the Samurai is in Japan, and as entrepreneurs and “American Dream” is in the US, etc. The Korean aristocrats in history had to pass an academic exam to get positions in government and you could not inherit these positions. Thus, studying and getting good academic grades meant at least that you had a source of income (as manual labour was frowned upon for the aristocrats). Now that there’s no class system, anyone can go up the social ladder. It’s just that this climbing up the social ladder has always been associated with studying for Korean people for hundreds of years… just like in States, it’s been associated with hard work and making money. So a hard-working Korean kid will work hard at studying till late at night. A hard working American kid will gather experience working at odd jobs after school (a lot of whom also work till 10 PM or midnight at places like McDonalds).

    This was kind of a loooong reply…but… anyway… thanks for the interesting blog! ^^

  33. mike said, on July 30, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Just wondering, I taught English in Korea 2 years ago and some of the kids in those pictures look familiar. Is that from a hogwan in Ansan? I won’t name any names…

  34. mike said, on July 30, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    ah ok, was gunna say small world) either way good to see more teachers milling around, Im getting my masters and then depending on things I may go back again

  35. Thomas said, on October 9, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Wow, I just happened to stumble across your blog. Excellent narrative on the Korean education system. I’m a university student in the United States, but am considering teaching English in Korea for a year after graduating next May.

  36. Regine Pfeiffer said, on October 21, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    I am an expert on video game addiction. To find out about this problem in Korea I visited Seoul in May 2008, and I am preparing a second visit. Even when I was on the plane the first time I was told by a young student “the Korean education system is a system of torture” and he just couldn’t stop describing his experience.
    I talked to a number of experts and most of them agreed that the pressure of the education system plays a big part in the development of video game addiction.
    Now what I want to know: When do they find the time to play the games?
    In how far does their gaming interfere with school?
    I am doing a lecture tomorrow on the subject and I will be quoting from your article. It was very interesting.
    What I also ask myself is: What part of Korean history has influenced parents in a way that they inflict this system on their children?


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